| Did anyone else expect Kagari to be a Kurisu clone? I thought that was going to be a twist the entire time since no one knows her origin story and she was p much raised in a lab by the professor Kurisu worked under. (It would also explain her getting Kurisu’s memories transplanted in her since she wouldn’t be as high risk for failure since their DNA would essentially be the same) I’m shocked they didn’t use that as a plot device because there was so many things they had access to. If they could work that in and actually make sense of why she looked so much like Kurisu to begin with that would have been an enjoyable story and a great bridge. |
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certifiedbinger said: I'm honestly glad that didn't happen lol. What’s your reasoning? |
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GONNAGIVEUUP said: JenetteBagHead said: I don't think they should've done that , adding too many plot twists gonna make the show worse than it is nowDid anyone else expect Kagari to be a Kurisu clone? I thought that was going to be a twist the entire time since no one knows her origin story and she was p much raised in a lab by the professor Kurisu worked under. (It would also explain her getting Kurisu’s memories transplanted in her since she wouldn’t be as high risk for failure since their DNA would essentially be the same) I’m shocked they didn’t use that as a plot device because there was so many things they had access to. If they could work that in and actually make sense of why she looked so much like Kurisu to begin with that would have been an enjoyable story and a great bridge. I guess my point was to fill in the gaps that were left unexplained. It’s weird they just had a character look exactly like Kurisu (except the bust) for no reason at all. |
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Lord_Volt said: Well considering Kagari came from the future that technology might have been available.I think it would've made no sense due to the technology available and the show likes to have some amount of science to it |
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Trex5567 said: The Amadeus system was used to implant memories in Kagari so they already took it a next step and tried making a Kurisu clone mentally so I don’t see why it would be ridiculous to tie in the physical appearance with an actual reason as well.No that's won't be a good idea dude just bc she looked like her she id dead no more kurisu we already had the Amadeus |
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|Adampk said: I would disagree with that considering Mayuri felt like a shell of her former self in the original Steins;Gate. This was just the dark timeline, don’t think it was aimed at any character but if I had to pick one I guess I’d say it’s Maho’s story more than Mayuri since this was her big introduction.No, because this is mayuri story (not kurisu) |
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Lord_Volt said: Well considering the person who raised Kagari was the professor Kurisu worked for in the past he could have easily had some sort of DNA of hers collected back then just in case. I mean hell, he also transferred her consciousness into a computer before she died so how hard would it be to pluck a hair on top of it?JenetteBagHead said: Well considering Kagari came from the future that technology might have been available. Yeah but how are you going to clone someone that's already dead |
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Lord_Volt said: JenetteBagHead said: Well considering the person who raised Kagari was the professor Kurisu worked for in the past he could have easily had some sort of DNA of hers collected back then just in case. I mean hell, he also transferred her consciousness into a computer before she died so how hard would it be to pluck a hair on top of it? But anyways cloning tech isn't even discussed at all so you can assume it doesn't exist. Everyone is focusing on trying to get time travel anyway I suppose but my point was that it could have been introduced and tied the story better. AI technology also wasn’t something brought into play in the original Steins;Gate and they made it an element in 0. There are always different advancements happening at the same time, the whole world doesn’t just focus on one science project a time. If that were the case we would barely have advanced in general. However I heard there’s going to be a third game so maybe they’re saving a plot line like this for that installment, I wouldn’t be totally surprised. |
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Jgar07 said: you mean like that horrible OVA?Too many plot twist ruin a show. Especially if like this would being nothing to the table except just to be there. |
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JenetteBagHead said: Adampk said: I would disagree with that considering Mayuri felt like a shell of her former self in the original Steins;Gate. This was just the dark timeline, don’t think it was aimed at any character but if I had to pick one I guess I’d say it’s Maho’s story more than Mayuri since this was her big introduction.No, because this is mayuri story (not kurisu) Maho is just some side character that nobody cares really. Mayuri is has most development in steins gate 0.(story literally revolves around preventing mayuri's death). Steins gate did not bother to develop mayuri as much. I don't know what u was talking about. (Shell of former self?) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YRaYBPc4E94 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RATrBv--5tY I am not sure what were u watching. Atleast I am not the only one who feel that way https://amp.reddit.com/r/steinsgate/comments/9apjez/anybody_else_love_the_character_development_in/ |
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Jgar07 said: I was actually referring to the first one considering its non canon to the original game series. The second was actually canon to the opening of 0 to show the path Okabe had to go to realize he had to deceive himself in order to save Kurisu in the original.JenetteBagHead said: you mean like that horrible OVA? Yeah Fr, the first OVA was much better. |
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Adampk said: I’m actually coming from anime and game perspectives. Maho felt more important to me in 0 after going through all the content. I’m just saying Mayuri was much more important in the first considering, yes, the whole first Steins;Gate was truly about saving her in the Alpha timeline but 0 was about fixing the Beta so that both Kurisu and Mayuri could survive but they needed Maho to do it this time. I know the games tend to go more in depth so maybe that’s why this is confusing for some people about where I’m coming from.JenetteBagHead said: I would disagree with that considering Mayuri felt like a shell of her former self in the original Steins;Gate. This was just the dark timeline, don’t think it was aimed at any character but if I had to pick one I guess I’d say it’s Maho’s story more than Mayuri since this was her big introduction. Maho is just some side character that nobody cares really. Mayuri is has most development in steins gate 0.(story literally revolves around preventing mayuri's death). Steins gate did not bother to develop mayuri as much. I don't know what u was talking about. (Shell of former self?) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YRaYBPc4E94 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RATrBv--5tY I am not sure what were u watching. Atleast I am not the only one who feel that way https://amp.reddit.com/r/steinsgate/comments/9apjez/anybody_else_love_the_character_development_in/ |
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Jgar07 said: I can’t disagree with you with saying it’s a more pleasant ending but the fact I know it’s non canon will always irk me and that’s just something embedded in me... which is also my personal preference. Since 0 exists now and that ova exist it makes Yuki’s whole character get very confusing considering she now exists as two totally different characters. Oh well. Tbh I think Steins;Gate would have been perfect ending on episode 24 but since I’m such a fan of the games I’ll play them all just for more science! I’m willing to see how the dark timeline unfolded.JenetteBagHead said: I was actually referring to the first one considering its non canon to the original game series. The second was actually canon to the opening of 0 to show the path Okabe had to go to realize he had to deceive himself in order to save Kurisu in the original. Oh.... that was one of my favorite episodes. There’s some cool things about it plus I live in Cali so it’s kinda relatable in some way. One of the last things John Titor posted was don’t run out of gas in the desert and the end of the episode was a reference. Personally it was just a really nice way to end things off. I actually think the 0 OVA adds a lot less regardless of that, but it’s just my opinion at that point not at all fact. |
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JenetteBagHead said: Adampk said: I’m actually coming from anime and game perspectives. Maho felt more important to me in 0 after going through all the content. I’m just saying Mayuri was much more important in the first considering, yes, the whole first Steins;Gate was truly about saving her in the Alpha timeline but 0 was about fixing the Beta so that both Kurisu and Mayuri could survive but they needed Maho to do it this time. I know the games tend to go more in depth so maybe that’s why this is confusing for some people about where I’m coming from.Maho is just some side character that nobody cares really. Mayuri is has most development in steins gate 0.(story literally revolves around preventing mayuri's death). Steins gate did not bother to develop mayuri as much. I don't know what u was talking about. (Shell of former self?) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YRaYBPc4E94 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RATrBv--5tY I am not sure what were u watching. Atleast I am not the only one who feel that way https://amp.reddit.com/r/steinsgate/comments/9apjez/anybody_else_love_the_character_development_in/ I have not played the games. But still atleast based on anime mayuri was given much more layers in 0. Maho may be some important character in the plot, but that's not the point. This is the story about the rintaro okabe who got over kurisu and moved on. Even the last scene is quite symbolic even saying it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4iF_oeLlbBs Even if mayuri is not important as u say but still bringing back one more kurisu is a foolish move. This story has to be bear the cost of kurisu (btw Kagari is mayuri adopted daughter....again making mayuri's presence stronger like she gave her the name etc) |
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Jgar07 said: lol I’m going off topic here but (something new) if you enjoyed the games you should check out the nonary games if you haven’t yet! More time travel plots, always good stuff. I’ve been on a huge scifi kick lately.JenetteBagHead said: I can’t disagree with you with saying it’s a more pleasant ending but the fact I know it’s non canon will always irk me and that’s just something embedded in me... which is also my personal preference. Since 0 exists now and that ova exist it makes Yuki’s whole character get very confusing considering she now exists as two totally different characters. Oh well. Tbh I think Steins;Gate would have been perfect ending on episode 24 but since I’m such a fan of the games I’ll play them all just for more science! I’m willing to see how the dark timeline unfolded. No I completely agree episode 24 is an amazing ending. It just gave me just a little bit more as I watched the anime after I played the games so it was refreshing to see something new. |
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Adampk said: Kagari technically already was another Kurisu though because she had Kurisu’s memories implanted inside of her 🤔 Also all of 0 is about getting to the point in the future where he can tell his former self about deceiving what he saw in order to save Kurisu so I’d say he did not move on since he lived his whole life working towards building a time machine/phone wave in order to do so. idk I think we’re just going to have to agree to disagree here.JenetteBagHead said: I’m actually coming from anime and game perspectives. Maho felt more important to me in 0 after going through all the content. I’m just saying Mayuri was much more important in the first considering, yes, the whole first Steins;Gate was truly about saving her in the Alpha timeline but 0 was about fixing the Beta so that both Kurisu and Mayuri could survive but they needed Maho to do it this time. I know the games tend to go more in depth so maybe that’s why this is confusing for some people about where I’m coming from. I have not played the games. But still atleast based on anime mayuri was given much more layers in 0. Maho may be some important character in the plot, but that's not the point. This is the story about the rintaro okabe who got over kurisu and moved on. Even the last scene is quite symbolic even saying it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4iF_oeLlbBs Even if mayuri is not important as u say but still bringing back one more kurisu is a foolish move. This story has to be at the cost of kurisu (btw Kagari is mayuri adopted daughter....again making mayuri's presence stronger like she gave her the name etc) |
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JenetteBagHead said: Adampk said: Kagari technically already was another Kurisu though because she had Kurisu’s memories implanted inside of her 🤔 Also all of 0 is about getting to the point in the future where he can tell his former self about deceiving what he saw in order to save Kurisu so I’d say he did not move on since he lived his whole life working towards building a time machine/phone wave in order to do so. idk I think we’re just going to have to agree to disagree here.I have not played the games. But still atleast based on anime mayuri was given much more layers in 0. Maho may be some important character in the plot, but that's not the point. This is the story about the rintaro okabe who got over kurisu and moved on. Even the last scene is quite symbolic even saying it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4iF_oeLlbBs Even if mayuri is not important as u say but still bringing back one more kurisu is a foolish move. This story has to be at the cost of kurisu (btw Kagari is mayuri adopted daughter....again making mayuri's presence stronger like she gave her the name etc) U are thinking from the perspective of okabe rintaro of steins gate (not from okabe rintaro of steins gate 0). Both of them are not same person anymore. Yes, it about saving kurisu for the other okabe, but doing that means this okabe has accepted to move on. Kagari is not kurisu, she is her own person first. Kagari and Amadeus are reflection of dead kurisu (plot points introduced for getting over kurisu death). Not from the science point of view but from the story point of view...I don't know how to explain it like whenever we have "getting over a death" troupe the plot goes like deadperson comes back and we have to accept his/her death by letting go. Its a similar kind of thing. I am not sure whether got that...but yeah I guess we’re just going to have to agree to disagree here. |
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Jgar07 said: Awesome! Yeah I went through and platinumed the three and I kind of want to play it again soon, you can tell the director really likes to research theories lol. Can’t wait for the new AI: Sominium files to release as well.JenetteBagHead said: lol I’m going off topic here but (something new) if you enjoyed the games you should check out the nonary games if you haven’t yet! More time travel plots, always good stuff. I’ve been on a huge scifi kick lately. I just played it and it was really good. It brought back my memories of the escape games I’d play when I was little. Crazy you’d mention it bc I beat it like 2 days ago, and got all the endings. |
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| I mean the VN kinda went in that route. The game created a moral dilemma for Okabe to implant Amadeus Kurisu into Kagari thus artificially reviving Kurisu. Either way it still sucks how under utilized she was in the anime but yknow, 24 episodes. |
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| Idk why people criticize Mayuri saying she was bad and empty compared to the og, wdym, in 0 she actually does something, it's the opposite, if anything. That said, I thought she could've been her daughter from a different timeline where Kurisu just died during the war, idk, still a random hypotesis. One thing that I have still doubts about is when they showed the first time people with guns stormed into the lab and Suzuha kicking the wrist of one of the people, and then later one of Mayuri's friends is shown with her wrist bandaged and when asked for an explanation, random bs excuse. I totally expected her to be an impostor, but nothing happened in that direction, heh. |
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JenetteBagHead said: Did anyone else expect Kagari to be a Kurisu clone? I thought that was going to be a twist the entire time since no one knows her origin story and she was p much raised in a lab by the professor Kurisu worked under. (It would also explain her getting Kurisu’s memories transplanted in her since she wouldn’t be as high risk for failure since their DNA would essentially be the same) I’m shocked they didn’t use that as a plot device because there was so many things they had access to. If they could work that in and actually make sense of why she looked so much like Kurisu to begin with that would have been an enjoyable story and a great bridge. I was also expecting this to happen, but after seeing the ending and how it ties into original Steins;Gate im happy they didn't do it, this would be honestly annoying and unneeded and i thought they would find a solution to the whole deleting Amadeus thing and try to do deus ex machina and somehow implant it in Kagari, but im glad they didn't go with that, that would've softened the sad moment when they deleted Amadeus. |
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Did the anime just not adapt kagaris route cause I don't understand how somebody could come to this conclusion unless the anime didn't show all the depth of kagaris that the vn did lol
BP3 said: Did the anime just not adapt kagaris route cause I don't understand how somebody could come to this conclusion unless the anime didn't show all the depth of kagaris that the vn did lol The anime isn't an adaptation of the VN in 0's case, it acts like a sequel to the VN |
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